Game Theory: Until Dawn’s TRAGIC Hero

Game Theory: Until Dawn’s TRAGIC Hero

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You’re holding tough today, by the way Until Dawn ain’t getting me OH MY GOSH OH *Game Theory Intro plays* Hello Internet! Welcome to Game Theory The show whose viewers wouldn’t be surprised to see an episode dedicated to Sam’s anti-gravity towel Seriously! She’s getting chased by a psychotic killer and it stays up like that?? And then she crawls through vents and it stays so clean? This towel is clearly worthy of a theory But not today So if you’ve watched our GTLive live streams then you know that we recently completed a playthrough of the horror game Until Dawn *devastated MatPat* “No!!” If you haven’t watched our GTLive live streams then you probably STILL knew that we recently completed a playthrough of the horror game Until Dawn because YouTube hasn’t put a toggle in allowing subscribers to opt-in to those notifications Hey! Don’t blame the messenger Regardless, chances are if you watch gamers on YouTube You’ve seen this choose-your-own-adventure, teen murder simulator hybrid A game that mashes so many horror movie tropes you’d think they’d pulled Keenen Wayans out of retirement And had him do Scary Movie: The Video Game But here’s the thing, while we were all making fun of the gameplay “We are playing a game that encourages you to not move the controller” “COMPELLING GAMEPLAY” The really good, but still not really good enough graphics “Didn’t quite make it out of the Uncanny Valley on that one” *laughs* And hammy dialouge We all missed something: The point Along with a totem or two Whether it was intentional or not, Until Dawn is more than just a goofy horror movie cliche simulator And the villain is far more menacing than a gangly spider-zombie It’s a much darker, much sadder, and much more serious game than any of us YouTube gamers thought Carrying an incredibly serious message about mental illness and the nature of choice Now before I go on, this is a heavy spoiler alert We’re covering everything from the game, so if you haven’t watched any of the hundreds of Let’s Plays And still want to experience it for yourself, turn back now But if you want to completely change the way you look at the game Well, spend another few minutes with me We all clear? Good. Now this game is a blast, not only to play but to discuss You see, the game not so subtly points out that it’s built around the Butterfly Effect Where decisions you make earlier in the game have significant ramifications down the line It’s a game about choice And what makes this game endlessly discussable and watchable Is seeing how different choices lead to different gruesome murders for our – *record scratch* Jeez they’re 18 and 19 years old? Oh man, now I feel really creepy about trying to get Jess into her underwear No! No it is NOT when some of these kids are literally under the age of consent Creepy revelations about everyone’s true ages aside Make the right choices, nail each QTE and miraculously you may be able to keep everyone alive…Until Dawn Roll credits *CinemaSins ding* Well, not everyone Meet Josh, older brother of both Beth and Hannah We see in the game’s prologue that one year prior to the events in the game Beth and Hannah were killed accidentally after a prank went wrong Yes, you can roll the clip one last time Fast-forward to the present day where, halfway through the game, you learn that Josh is The Psycho A masked madman setting up elaborately sadistic, Saw-like traps For his quote-unquote “friends” to make them pay for the deaths of both his sisters Well, that and to get them all a few thousand clicks on a certain video sharing platform Gah! Everyone is a vlogger these days Now, outside of the supernatural and cannibalistic wendigos, Josh is the villain of the game, putting his friends through torture As such, it’s only fitting that he is the only playable character who will never survive the night regardless of your choices He only has one of two fates Either getting his head crushed by a wendigo Or, if you find enough clues, turning into a wendigo himself A fitting end to a crazed maniac Except, hold on. Josh’s story isn’t so cut and dry True, the torture of his friends is extreme And he isn’t adverse to going so far as to punch Ashley out cold But none of his actions directly lead to anyone’s death His traps are only there to scare, not kill Fake bodies, fake bullets, saws that don’t go all the way down Now compare that to Mike, AKA the village bicycle where anyone gets a ride *horn honking* Who can kill Emily in cold blood, and the world rejoices *party blower noise* Or how about Ashley? Who in some scenarios can choose to kill Chris while he pleads for his life Simply by keeping the lodge door locked Then, in the final scene, Sam can actively choose to blow up the lodge early, killing everyone else in there And then Matt who can basically leave his girlfriend, Emily, for dead when a tower falls I mean seriously, the game gives you a lot – A LOT – of opportunities to kill off Emily In short, pretty much every playable character in this game Can take an action that will directly lead to someone else’s death Except for Jessica And except for Josh But unlike all the other characters, Josh doesn’t get a happy ending And sure, I get it. He tortured his friends and, yeah, thats really bad But don’t let Beth’s yoga pants distract you from the truth What these teenagers did to Hannah was also really bad These aren’t good people They set up a prank where Mike, Hannah’s crush, leads her on to the point that she starts undressing, expecting a little totem action, if you get what I’m saying All while they film in secret and laugh at her embarrassment It’s ruthless! And unlike the quote-unquote “heros” of the story, who did this out of sheer meanness Josh’s saw traps aren’t just born out of revenge He has another excuse, mental illness Throughout the game we gradually learn that Josh has had behavioral issues since the age of eleven Since then, he’s been treated with various medications for depression In total, for nine years And we learn that the mysterious analyst appearing between chapters in the game Was actually Josh’s psychiatrist helping him to cope with the loss of both his sisters When we finally get to step inside Josh’s eyes at the end of the game, Chapter 10, It’s clear he’s being haunted by the vision of his sisters “No no no no, you’re not real” -“Why didn’t you save us Josh?” Through his hallucinations, we see that he blames himself in large part for their deaths Despite being passed out that night, physically unable to do anything to help them Now, does all of this excuse his eagerness to strap two people to chairs Force one to choose between his life and the life of his crush All while spinning saw blades descend from the ceiling? No, but it certainly sheds light on Josh’s motives Showing that he’s not a sadistic killer or cruel sociopath He’s a confused and grieving kid Remember, these kids are like 18 to 20 *record scratch* Still – still kinda creeped out about the Jess thing And the game actually acknowledges this *another record scratch* Not the creepy jess thing, just the fact that Josh is in need of help In alternate dialogue for Josh’s big reveal as the psycho Sam makes it clear that his behavior is more of a cry for help than it was anything malicious “Come on, it was just for fun! Nobody got hurt! “You’re crying out for help, Josh” In short, Josh is a sympathetic character who needs help, medical help Help that, quite frankly, he’s not getting And this is where we go from Josh being in a weird gray area A character who did some awful things, but had some excuses for it, to someone who is outright innocent Throughout the game, we can piece together Josh’s illness by the symptoms he demonstrates Chapter 10 shows us that he clearly has very vivid visual hallucinations He also has auditory hallucinations, hearing both his sisters’ voices in his head as well as the Psycho’s It’s important to note here, though, that the mask-wearing Psycho isn’t a separate personality Which would change his diagnosis How do we know? Well, if Sam escapes being chased by Josh, she can find a tape where he’s practicing his “Psycho Talk” “Hello – Hello, children…That’s not right…” I mean every good masked killer needs a catchphrase, right? The Psycho is just a character he puts on for the purposes of this theatrical event he had planned Not a split personality So we have visual hallucinations, auditory hallucinations, but Josh is also delusional The delusion that this is all a fun prank or game That this would actually be socially acceptable to his friends He also has delusions of grandeur Seriously, in his opening video: “Hello, friends and fans” “Hello, friends and fans”? Who’s he talking to anyway? Seriously, his channel has like, what, seven subscribers And after the events of the game, he’s going to lose all of them “YouTuber tortured me and gave me PTSD… unsub” I’d say that that’s a fairly solid reason to unsubscribe from a channel He’s also operating under the delusion that his friends don’t care about him Feeling so persecuted that he physically saws himself in half simply to prove how little they care When that actually couldn’t be further from the truth Finally, we see his speech deteriorate into incoherent rambling Based on these symptoms, Josh appears to have schizophrenia A brain disorder in which a person has trouble distinguishing reality from fantasy And has trouble managing normal emotions Symptoms include: everything we just mentioned Visual and auditory hallucinations, delusions, social withdrawal, disorganized speech And the condition tends to appear between the ages of 16 and 30 See that age joke at the beginning wasn’t just a non sequitur, it actually had a purpose All in all, it sounds pretty cut and dry, right? But then we look at his medical records The slate of doctors listed for treating him over the last 9 years, Dr. Hill included, are all MDs Meaning that they’re psychiatrists, people who went to medical school, had a year of medical internships, And have 3 years of residency to assess and treat mental health conditions Training which now enables them to prescribe medicine to their patients So Josh seems like he’s seeing the right people for his issues, except apparently he’s not Looking down the list of medicines and treatments he’s been given, they’re all for extreme depression You see, nerve cells in the brain communicate using chemicals called neurotransmitters I’ve mentioned them before in my video on the addictive qualities of mobile gaming And, as you can imagine, there are a bunch But the most famous are dopamine, serotonin, and norepinephrine Well, depression and schizophrenia are currently thought to be tied to different neurotransmitters With schizophrenia being linked to the overactivity of dopamine, while depression is thought to be tied To a decrease in the production of serotonin The drugs we see Josh being prescribed, though, are all focused around serotonin Fluoxetine is an SSRI, a selective serotonin reuptake inhibitor Which – to grossly simplify – is meant to increase the amount of serotonin in the brain Duloxetine is a selective serotonin and norepinephrine reuptake inhibitor Which again leave dopamine, Josh’s actual issue, untreated And both Amitriptyline and Phenelzine are some of the earliest antidepressants developed Effective, yes, but now replaced with newer, less side-effect heavy drugs And neither of them primarily focused on what Josh’s true problem is Regulating the amount of dopamine in his brain Knowing this, the results of Josh’s medical reports are unsurprising Each time, the medicine didn’t fix his problem And occasionally he would resort to taking more in an attempt to see any sort of result – any sort of relief And here’s why! He was being treated for the wrong disorder His primary issue is schizophrenia, not depression Of course the medicines would have limited effectiveness They weren’t doing anything to treat the primary symptoms of hallucination, delusion, paranoia, and disorganized speech What does this mean? It means that Josh wasn’t getting the help that he needed to mitigate his condition And leads us to the true meaning of Until Dawn In a game that prides itself on choice for its characters, Josh had no choice Schizophrenia is tied very closely to genetics, so he had no choice to get the disorder in the first place Josh had no choice when placed in the hands of experts, who misjudged and mistreated his condition He was passed out and had no choice when the rest of the group pulled a prank that would ultimately kill his two younger sisters And even in death, he has no choice You, as the player, cannot save him No matter what you do, there is no happy ending for Josh He was doomed from the start In a game all about choice, probably the biggest one that you can have is forgiving Josh Looking beyond his actions, the awful things that he did, and choosing to save his life Recognizing him for the young man in need of help that he is But you can’t do that. When you look at it this way, Until Dawn is a big metaphor, where the true monster Is psychological disorder It strikes randomly, has no mercy, and gives you no chance of escape, no chance to run and hide And the true villain of the game is Dr. Hill and the system that didn’t know enough, or simply didn’t care enough To give Josh the help that he so desperately needed Now that is truly a horror game But, hey, that’s just a theory A Game Theory Thanks for watching 🙂 Welcome back to the SUPER AMAZING END CARD TOURNAMENT Today we covered a game full of sexy characters and important choices So in honor of that, today’s poll has one important question for you Hot or Not? The wendigo Bangable undead or a face only a mother could love Click on one to choose or click the links in the description to cast your vote And find out next week whether you guys would swipe right or swipe left ♪ Bow chicka bow wow ♪ And hey! If you want to check out some hilarious highlights of our playthrough of Until Dawn Click here to check out the GTLive channel for moments like this: *Josh screaming* While MatPat and Steph repeatedly say stop “Oh no it’s actually killing him!” “Oh it’s – oh no!” “Oh no!” “I actually killed hi- oh god!” Spoopiness to the max! And that’s about it for today, so if you’ll excuse me I’ve got some strategizing to do In real time

100 thoughts on “Game Theory: Until Dawn’s TRAGIC Hero

  • Csongor Gál Post author

    Chris can't kill anyone either… the flamethrower creep doesn't count because he cannot be saved

  • Scruffy447 Post author

    "The village bicycle where everyone gets a ride." BRO. Now that's a joke that ain't for the kids 😂😂😂. Well played MatPat. Well played.

  • The Happy Mask Salesman Post author

    I'm sure that Josh probably acted more normal during his sessions with his MD's which could have led to the wrong medication

  • Maisha Ali Post author

    But don't let Beth's yoga pants destroy you

  • Klara Storan Post author

    I love this game so much…

  • Beth Connelly Post author

    I think the wendigos are definitely bangable😏😏😏😏😏

    Ps. 2019 anyone??

  • Anna George Post author

    Tou nees to do more theories on this franchise

  • The Spiciest Meme Post author

    Anyone else think Josh looks like Rami Malek

  • Ty Haynes Post author


  • Inferno Tiger Post author

    Yea but Mike saved more lives with his shotgun than had the posibilitiblity to kill them.

  • conqueror Wolf Post author

    Best intro

  • Eliekira Post author

    I never disliked Josh, he definitely had something wrong with him, and I was just sad that he never got his happy ending.

  • yoda eatingahamburger Post author

    I new the the hole thing about Josh since the beginning I love his caracter because I can relate in the part of the mental illness I'm 12 and I have some mental problems

  • zane burleson Post author

    God I miss this intro

  • OWO ItsADeadMeme Post author

    Having taken amitriptyline and some of the other medications listed, I just have to say that the side effects are hell. I understand now why people stop taking medicine to treat depression, and I'm only getting them as a treatment for migraines.

  • KONO DIO DA Post author

    I guess we can say…
    The game was rigged from the start

  • DC* games Post author

    12:55 I knew it from the beginning of the game! He seemed offputting!

  • FizzyGreen Post author

    Also, serotonin overload causes hallucinations as drugs like LSD and DMT or other serotonin agonists show.

  • Joanna B Post author

    where exactly 18 is not an age of consent ? In Poland it is 16 o.O

  • SpicyCookie Post author

    Did anyone read the side effects at 11:00

  • IHaveNoIdeaAtAll73 Post author

    I don’t know why MatPat was freaking out about these “teens” being underage even though 18-19 year olds are at/above the age of consent. I think that he should have been more freaked out undressing a 19 year old in front of his wife.

  • chain & triangle Post author

    2:16 the guy looked like that one guy from Mr.Robot

  • The Outsider Post author

    I mean half of them looked in their mid thirties like Sam Emily and even Mike (are actually 30 plus in real life) Josh is the old one who didn’t look that bad. Chris looked old too like he was someone’s dad trying to be cool

  • Nıne Zero Post author

    Moral lesson of this story: Your not you when you're hungry

  • Samera Minor Post author

    Is me or does Josh look like the actor Rami Malek

  • Ethan Sheldon Post author

    Another thing, I may not have remembered it correctly, but Josh (as the Psycho) only punches Ashley cause she STABS him with scissors. So doesn’t he kinda have an excuse for that punch as well? Cause he uses gas in all situations on her until she stabs him.

  • Atticus Young Post author


  • Nightmare Foxy29 Post author


  • Loki Post author

    Oh look it Rami Noodles.

  • random pancake Post author

    Untill dawn is just kinda like a really fucked up episode of Scooby doo

  • Gh0stPizza Edits Post author

    4 years later, and still no theory on Sam’s Towel, I mean c’mon??

  • Andrei Post author


  • Kim_Taeyu _exe Post author

    And I thought that I was insane for having Josh as my favorite character!

  • roytoramedina Post author

    who else only watches these vids to seem smarter @ skewl and for the bonus meme when you hear 'just a theory'…?

  • Cat Tail Post author


  • judgemental W4FF13 and da W4FF13 Crew Post author

    I knew i couldn't trust anything given to me if it looked like pills.
    (more reason to hate my ADHD prescription thats supposed to help me focus. [it doesn't work btw])

  • Gabba Huttz Post author

    Josh does not have schizophrenia. The symptoms you are talking about its from the withdraw of the meds.

  • Dean Duque Post author

    how on earth multiple "qualified"doctors or even med practictioners mange to fail and assesment of josh for over how many years and gave him the wrong medicine

  • Caffeinated Idiot Post author

    Lots of people feeling really bad for Josh, when I am sitting here feelin' for poor Chris. He had nothing to do with the prank and the poor dude was psychologically tortured. For what? By being Josh's friend? I get that some may speculate that Josh was "trying to help bring Chris and Ash together", but why is that any excuse? I'm sorry, but I don't forgive it.

  • Shania Hammond Post author

    Okay but don't blame Sam at all.

  • Rafael Kresmar Post author

    A nice Theory but there's one Problem : How do we know that his Shizophrenia was already active before his Sisters died?

    Weed Consume for example can lead to Shizophrenia, not everyone but for some, it's possible that his Shizophrenia only started after his Sisters died and in that case you can't blame the System for misdiagnosing him.

    While I agree that Josh was the victim here and in my personal opinion even justified in regards to what he tried to do, you can't just blame his doctors for not treating him correct when we don't know the extent of medical history

  • Laura's Annoyed Post author

    Regarding the prank and the whole situation.
    Problematic: Emily, Jess, Mike, Matt, Ashley, Hannah

    Not problematic: Sam, Chris, Beth

    Grey Area: Josh (mental illness) Flamethrower guy (should have told the authorities he saw the girls fall or at least leave like a clue somewhere)

  • Top Romain Post author

    Je suis le seule à me posé des questions sur la fin de Until Dawn ? Hannah Wendigo pour moi n'est pas morte… Je m'explique, avant que Sam active l'interrupteur pour coser l'explosion, on peut la voir se faire poursuivre par un Wendigo. Ce Wendigo se fera ralentir par Hannah Wendigo alors qu'il allait avoir Sam mais sa se n'est pas le plus important. Quand l'explosion a lieu On est tous d'accord pour dire qu'ils y avaient deux Wendigo dans le chalet… Hannah n'a pas eu le temps pour tué ce Wendigo… Alors, pourquoi, pourquoi il n'y a qu'une seule âme de Wendigo qui à été libéré…
    Ps: Les Wendigo ne meurt pas forcément directement par le feu, cela peut aussi seulement brûler leur carapace.

  • Myststorm Post author

    oh my josh

  • Kit-13-Lucky Post author

    I know this is old and no one will probably see it, but as someone who was misdiagnosed his entire life, I can really relate. They put me on antidepressants and after half a lifetime of either getting worse or being on the edge, it's nice finding something that's starting to work for me. Most of the therapists and psychiatrists I saw were a joke, and now when I bring up what's actually going on with me, a lot of society looks and thinks I'm like a Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde or some killer who'll snap at the drop of a hat when that's really not the case. I'm someone just trying to function and keep their head above water

  • Biv Lab Post author

    Calling Dr.Hill the true villian is unfair. Matpat Josh being diagnosed with depression initially is actually super accurate to the real world. At least in my mental health treatment journey. Yes standard depression and major depression are effected by different transmitters but BIPOLAR depression IS effected by dopamine, sometimes in a very similar way to schizophrenia. The specific medications for schizophrenia are incredibly damaging to your body and require really percise control or you can actually make the condition worse. Because of this psychatrists are really hesitant about diagnosing someone right out of the gate with schizophrenia. Especially teens. Because due to hormones effecting how neurotransmitters work regular depression in teens can manifest more extreme behaviors. Josh also has a life event that typically aggrivates or initiates depression. So its pretty logical that any doctor treating him would start out testing depression medication to see if it helps and change and adjust as they see what works and what doesn't. Mental health isn't like a lot of physical illness treatment wise. We know SOME of whats happening. But not enough to test exactly what would be the perfect treatment. So its very much throwing darts at a board and seeing what sticks.

    At first i didnt realize how important hormones were to your brain until my estrogen and thyroid production spots stopped functioning. None of my medications work without building blocks found in those hormones.

    Just thought youd appreciate more info.

    With this in mind how on earth is a doctor acting cautiously and ethically for the overall saftey of their patient using the limited science they have available to them villinaous? If anything I blame Josh's remaining family. A strong support system is critical to being safe during the discovery stage of medication treatment and clearly Josh does not have that.

  • Mad Paddy Post author

    10:35 ayyee my mediciation. Fluxetine xD

  • Omega Scrap Baby Chan Post author

    0:04 matpat saying omagah

  • Abhishek Sethi Post author

    This video is sponsored by: How to catch a predator

  • Alayna Williams Post author

    In the beginning of the game Josh says that chris and Ashley just need something to happen to them to bring them together so in a weird way he might have been trying to help out his friend

  • The kid no one cares about Post author

    13:00 and the wendigos

  • Jordan Medlock Post author

    Did you know that someone made a video about disproving your hollow knight I still think your theory is right

  • allison chu Post author

    when there is an option to save josh *sighs

  • Annie Clark Post author

    13:27 OWH, WHY?!?!?!?!?!?

  • Gina Post author

    Pause the video at 3:43, there is a butterfly tattoo on the Wendigo

  • the adventures of donut cat Post author

    MatPat should be Josh's Doctor, Dr MatPat.

  • Effxrt Post author

    Josh is literally rami malek.

  • Meggie Mags Post author

    Hey!! I take fluoxetine! Me and Josh have that in common.


    I felt bad for him but at same that I didn't

  • Davie Campbell Post author

    Can we just all take a moment to note that Sam at the beginning of the game after finding out about the prank actually looks for Hannah to tell her about the prank? So yeah everyone except Sam is a terrible person.

  • The Co-op legand Post author

    Me and the boys watching this

  • LordVandor1 Post author

    Dude here in Italy the age of consent is 14 y.o. and the age of adulthood is 18, wtf

  • TheMistake’sSon Is a AssHole Post author

    I played this with my brother and he was so damn scared.

  • sealocat yo Post author

    I felt bad for/really liked Josh's character so on my first play through the game i killed everyone i could exept chris and i had josh turn into the wendigo because it seemed better than have him get killed by his own sister i mean this way he was the continuation of something wether it was good or bad i mean that was a good choice for my first play through right guys/girls…..right?

  • Carl Parsons Post author


  • DEV1L666 Post author

    Josh was favourite character from the start

  • withered freddy Post author

    This is so sad

  • madquest8 Post author

    Sams yoga pants distracted me, not Beths.

  • Marcus W Post author

    Ohhhh heeell no

  • ConFITstency Post author

    Does anyone know the name of the song at 2:05?

  • Miles Ang Post author

    I think you meant ptsd, all those hallucinations and delusions can be intrusion symptoms

  • TR6 Thecookiesmuggler Post author

    I was shocked when I found out rami males/josh was playing Freddie Mercury

  • Banana Breab Post author

    wait how did his sisters die

  • Vafa Ghanbri Post author

    3:45 josh isn't entirely the bad guy

  • A. Gold Post author


  • Grey Gacha Post author

    Matpat went to drug school In this episode

  • SassyDoodle DoodleSassy Post author

    Schizophrenia runs in my family, but it runs in a pattern. It’s hard to explain, but sister said it to me, but there’s a high change I probably won’t get it… I hope I don’t… my sister turned 15 a few days ago and she says, or in some else’s words, “There a small or possibly high chance you might get schizophrenia after you turn 15, or long after.” So I hope my sister doesn’t get it, or me.

  • The Budder Apple Post author

    I always looked at.the game and knew Josh was schizophrenic

  • Blue Wolf Post author

    1:51 I've heard that song somewhere before and it's annoying the hell out of me that I can't remember what it is.

  • Otakamerd Post author

    The true villain is Emily

  • Arthur Morgan Post author

    The things I hated about Until Dawn is that it makes my PS4 a jet, and it won't come out without me unplugging the PS4 whilst on and then hitting the eject.

  • arrogant uncle Post author

    I'd like to point out that Chris's death is justified because he made Ashley believe she is about to die.

  • BatFan Is On The Internet Post author

    It like saw

  • wolfpack 94 Post author

    Did people really not get this one there first play though?

  • Succuba Post author

    We need a Dead by Daylight Theory!

  • scrubmaster17 spiderman1 Post author

    Depends on which windigo, but most 10 out of 10

  • slimey sundae247 Post author

    Dr hill may sound similar but this guy needs Dr phil

  • A Simple Name Post author

    Wait so what are the vertigos!? (the zombie like things)

  • falconganez _ Post author

    I dont believe having a mental illness is an excuse to kill people

  • Alan Macowan Peralta Post author

    some one else already did this theory his name is triline

  • Jack Geralds Post author

    I’m in 2019 and I’m STILL waiting for the magic bathrobe theory. Dammit mat.

  • Nicholas Padilla Post author

    The monster is called a windego a cannibalistic supernatural creature

  • Nicholas Padilla Post author

    There were known as helpers to early Indians to run off and eat (kill) there enemies or ones that stole food or hunting grounds

  • Light Lorraine Post author

    Dude the thumbnail looks so similar to my Husbands ex that it is terrifying I mean like horrifyingly similar so disturbing lol 😂

  • Anonymous Post author

    When I first saw this game I like instantly loved josh and when I found out he was like fucked up and crazy still loved that bastard

  • Melanie Jenkins Post author

    matpat josh is the villain in until dawn

  • your assertive meadow friend. Post author

    I’m waiting for that towel theory, god damnit.

  • Pauline Chu Post author

    Matpat: Killing Mike.
    Everyone Disliked that

  • Travis Post author

    Plot twist: Until Dawn is the prequel to Mr. Robot

  • familydonnan Post author

    y u not a doctor

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